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hi I'm Brad McCoy and I'm a GP

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coronavirus is dangerous you can spread

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the virus even when you don't have

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symptoms which means you're putting

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yourself and your loved ones at risk if

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you leave the house please stay at home

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welcome to the sceptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptics own podcast

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episode 599 for the fifth of April 2020

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Richard Saunders coming to you from a

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very quiet oh my goodness a very quiet

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Sydney Australia and with every passing

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day the streets of Sydney certainly

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resembled more and more some b-grade

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Hollywood movie which is a good thing

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because at the moment the message is

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loud and clear stay at home keep a

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social distance which is contrary to

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some of the advice coming out of the

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crazy crowd at the moment later on in

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the show we'll be talking about bad

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advice very bad advice coming out from

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the altmed community the anti-vaxxers

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the conspiracy theorists and so on

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including advice to make yourself a pest

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in hospitals or do not social distance

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things like that you will not believe

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what they're saying that's later on in

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the show but we're going to start this

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week's show with an interview I did a

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couple of days ago with a budget chunder

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average it does the rational podcast

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from New Delhi in India now many many

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years ago I had the pleasure of visiting

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India I went to the rationalists

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conference in New Delhi and I've always

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admired the work that the skeptics and

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the rationalist do in India very hard

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job indeed fighting the gurus and the

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magicians pretending to have special

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magical psychic powers find out about

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the irrational podcast with my interview

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emergency then it's Michelle Vickers MA

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with logical fallacies this week

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Michelle looks at begging the question

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following that it's a voice we have not

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heard on the sceptic zone for some time

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it's dr. ray Qi Maynard interviews

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medical research in Jackson Hole Wyoming

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doctor Agee of course was one of the

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original team on the skeptic zone

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podcast and around off a show it's a

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message from susan gerbic from guerrilla

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what's her life like now in Salinas

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please stay tuned at the end of the show

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for more announcements from me but now

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it's time for me to run downstairs mix

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up some eggs flour milk bit of salt

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maybe a touch of sugar and make some

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pancakes well I do that I hope you enjoy

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and joining me now on the line all the

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way from New Delhi in India it's AB Ajit

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Chanda hi how are you Richard

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actually I'm doing ok despite the world

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background can you tell me a little bit

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about yourself mm-hm and how you got

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evolution and stuff like that but I've

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speaking for more from a religious

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standpoint it kind of made me question

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my own beliefs mm-hm and it kind of

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avalanche from there where I was

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beliefs because I was in the process of

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studying writing and I was trying to

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write an off science fiction novel and I

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about you know ancient aliens or ancient

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technology and or something like that

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pretty much made up as well and I I'd

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the Ramayana like we used when we were

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darshan and they had all sorts of fancy

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things and so it's kind of it's a normal

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precursors to current technology and

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flying chariots were actually planes and

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the exploding arrows were actually

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missiles so we'd always I never really

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exactly so I discovered these things

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later on but then when I started writing

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this and I started researching because I

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wanted it to be a scientifically

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rigorous science fiction novel you know

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all the science is right but then you

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take it one step further like you know

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like arthur c clarke and isaac asimov

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stuff was hokum and that with a guy who

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daniken erich von daniken nice I I

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thought my goodness like this guy was as

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just say he has a vivid imagination

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exactly so Brian Dunning on from

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skeptoid had made an excellent episode

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about this as well very recently and I

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was like oh my god exactly what I've

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been thinking so so all since that all

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these these events kind of happened one

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wrong about so many things and I had to

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question everything I was thinking and

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then in the process of you know learning

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more about evolution and ancient aliens

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and everything and I started hitting

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more and more stuff about alternative

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medicine especially homeopathy Wow

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his documentaries about homeopathy where

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he explained what homeopathy was and I

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was like really this

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I have to rethink this is well I've been

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everybody in my family's wears buy it so

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was a huge turning point for me and then

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I just started listening to the

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sceptical guide the skeptics guide to

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the universe and several other podcasts

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yours have only discovered recently

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unfortunately so I have a lot of

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catching up to do

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no yes you have a lot of catching up to

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hear so I so yeah that was when I kind

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of I realized that there was this whole

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world and a way of thinking called

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skepticism which I had never really

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so a decade down the line and I've been

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every single day just absorbing ideas

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about critical thinking understanding

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the things and testing my beliefs that I

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had have held my whole life and so

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you know I wanted to give something back

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I want to share what I've learnt and I

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want to help people be less gullible and

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less prone to be conned by not only

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altmed practitioners but you know these

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gurus and you know pundits who seem to

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everything so that's why I started

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and I hope that it goes somewhere and

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moment it's called be rational did did

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you make up that word rational yeah I

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did actually I was trying to think of

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things and it you know what to name it

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and I thought well a lot of the indian

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themselves rationalists and so I thought

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without actually taking because

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people think skepticism is just cynicism

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because religion has never been too big

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a deal in my life fortunately so I don't

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really have a bone to pick with them the

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way some things do annoy me every now

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and then but so I wanted it to be more

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on the skeptical side of things and just

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reasonable and rational because one of

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the central things that I believe in is

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that when we are having conversations

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about you know fake news misinformation

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general people tend to get very

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aggravated and it's and based insult

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people and call them stupid or dumb or

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stuff like that and I find that that

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never really gets you anywhere that

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doesn't change minds it doesn't

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influence people in any way it just

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makes you look like a dick can I say

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that on your podcast yes I know what you

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mean but sometimes it is the temptation

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you know when you see something

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outrageous or or particularly bad and

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number one story in the world at the

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moment yeah and I wanted to talk about

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the situation there in India now here in

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Australia we have an outfit called

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homeopathy plus they won the bent spoon

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they're the sort of people who think

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that homeopathy can treat or cure

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anything and I do mean anything from

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vaccine preventable diseases to I think

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radiation bizarrely enough now they've

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items that say something like the rate

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of covert 19 infections around the world

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it's so much less could that be because

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the Indian government has advised people

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to take homeopathy now you're there on

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the spot what's your take on all that

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well I think we are just at the very

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beginning of the crisis we've just

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stepped into it and the numbers are

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growing as exponentially

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as has any other country so we haven't

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really I don't think we've really really

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felt the impact of The Cove in nineteen

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a pandemic now yet so but we are going

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to be seeing a lot more of it and in

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fact the Ministry of Irish which has

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which promoted the arsenic um album

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thirty preparation to prevent as a

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prophylactic you know to prevent getting

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infected that has actually become quite

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popular I've actually been to chemists

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and you know pharmacies where I've seen

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people asking for it where it's been

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advertised that they have this product

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and people are taking it but of course

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we know that homeopathy really doesn't

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do anything in in any way shape or form

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but the problem is that we have a

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government ministry a Department of the

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government which actively promotes

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alternative medicine and not only have

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they promoted this one preparation they

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have also had an entire press release

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which has come out with many other items

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which cover unani which is a Middle

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Eastern form of Ayurveda where

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essentially the same principles Syd

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which is the South Indian form of

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Ayurveda which is again similar

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principles and I will be the as you know

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as a central thing as well so they've

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they've promoted all of these things

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they've very cleverly taken the wh0

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recommendations of washing your hands

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social distance saying don't touch your

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face and slipped these in between to

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make and to give them a little bit more

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of a sheen of credibility isn't that

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interesting because I'm going to be

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talking about soon a chiropractor here

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in Australia who put up a page saying

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that for coronavirus wash your hands

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keep social distances all the good

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advice and mixed up with that advice on

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his page he's saying and of course

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get yourself a chiropractic adjustment

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yeah why not

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and it's even I think just recently I

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just today I saw yet another press

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release from the ministry of Irish

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saying again similar things and that but

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this time they have covered their asses

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a little bit by saying that this may

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probably prevent an infection without

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specifically naming the infection and at

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the bottom they have put a nice

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disclaimer saying that this is not this

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they are you know this document is not a

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claim that these treatments will

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actually cure Cove in 19 or treated in

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any way so they've gone through the

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so-called FDA loophole that the US has

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that you know don't claim any such thing

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because they had a lot of pushback even

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though this it's their promotion of the

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you know through the press releases have

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been received quite well by the majority

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of Indians but there has also been a lot

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of pushback on social media thank

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goodness it kind of makes me feel a

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little bit better that you know we're

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not all falling for it

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so it feels much better now what's this

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I hear from India advice about vitamin C

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and onions oh that with the vitamin C

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thing has been going around a huge

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amount because I think the vitamin C

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thing I mean vitamin C has been

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something that that our families have

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been kind of talking about since we were

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kids that you know you should always

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have your vitamin C to make sure that

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you don't get a cold and your immune

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system stay strong so that thought

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process is kind of continued all the way

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through till now and we're still seeing

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it pop up know almost every epidemic

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that comes out every have your vitamin C

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which is great because vitamin C and

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vitamin D do provide some sort of

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protection not protection I would say it

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just helps your immune system stay

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healthy which is to among the many

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myriad components that make up a healthy

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immune system maybe you just need to

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have a nice balanced diet right mm-hm

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but for some reason it's everybody wants

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that magical cure-all that is going to

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be that

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shield against you know covert 19 which

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of course it isn't and it's it's been

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out that I think it's on several

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websites including I'm if I'm not sure

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I'm not sure if w-h-o has put it out but

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I think there's a vitamin C section of

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the vitamin B is something I've seen

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being promoted as well and it's

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something that's making its rounds

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arounds have been through my family

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where people are saying oh it should

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have more warm lemon water which is well

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you know fine have that we have plenty

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of it has much of it as you want

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there's nothing against that it's all a

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part of a well-balanced diet and onions

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there was this one video which I saw

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recently which fortunately is very hard

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to find except maybe on tik-tok which a

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friend of mine sent to me which has a

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sick lady speaking in punjabi saying

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that if you have chopped onions covered

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in salt within one hour you will be

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tested your tests for coronavirus

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october nineteen will come out negative

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even if you were positive before that

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which is fantastic i mean if that was

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true the world would be saved yes and

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and we're going to be seeing more and

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more of this people who really do

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believe in their crack form of medicine

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trying to capitalize on the situation or

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maybe I should say honestly trying to

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help people in their delusion but

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they're deluded about the benefits of

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homeopathy or so on and they're honestly

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trying to help people now I saw slightly

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different tact I saw something online

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today and I wonder if you could confirm

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it that I was in India some years ago

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are in the early 2000s 2003 I think I

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went to the rationalists

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meeting in New Delhi and I traveled to

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the Taj Mahal and did some other things

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but I must say one of my memories is of

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the terrible air pollution in New Delhi

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when I was there but I've I've seen

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pictures online lately of clear blue

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skies over New Delhi yes it's

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amazing I just went out today for one of

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our grocery hauls and it's actually like

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it's astonishing it kind of hits you

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because I've never seen it's very rare

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that you get to see Delhi sky is this

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blue it's still not very clean air like

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at night that the pollution tends to go

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up a bit but it's right now it's said

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according to my watch it says it's 62 aq

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is 62 which is not bad I think it's what

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Sydney would be around now as well if I

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the last I checked and which is

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according to some European countries a

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bit polluted but according to Delhi it's

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amazing I mean we've got the cleanest

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air I've ever seen I mean maybe only in

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the middle of the monsoons where the it

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rains almost every single day does the

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pollution come down to this extent but

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it's bright it's sunny it's beautiful

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outside it's got a nice lovely blue sky

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which is so rare to see it's it's a

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wonderful thing at a horrible price

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unfortunately yes I know what you're

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saying it is it's amazing for me to

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think of New Delhi with clear blue skies

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because it wasn't so pleasant till those

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years ago when I was there but let's get

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back to your podcast it's called be

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rational but be rational calm and I'll

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put a link in this week's show notes and

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you've got lots of episodes up already

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how many how many episodes do you have

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up till now I have about 323 sorry 23

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episodes approximately at 23 and they're

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quite concise aren't they quite compact

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I try to make them as compact as

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possible as a blog because I all my

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podcasts are basically me reading out my

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articles in a more casual way and kind

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of inserting a little bit of this on

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that to make it no enemy the information

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a little bit richer and easier to listen

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to

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so as articles this decently long is

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about 22 I mean about 2,000 words each

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episode is about 15 to 20 minutes long

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at the most so I like to keep it nice

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and quick and informative but I am

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planning on you know slightly longer

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form things which won't necessarily have

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a blog transcript along with it like

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interviews and maybe YouTube videos

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which I'm planning to come out with this

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year so I'd love to share that with

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everyone when they do come out now you

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are folks listen to be rational it's a

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nice podcast to listen to it's one of

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the podcasts you should listen to while

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you're doing your daily exercise and

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that's certainly what I do I load up my

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my device my iPhone with lots of

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skeptical podcasts and these days

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including be rational

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well abbaji thank you very much for

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sparing us some time all the way over

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there in New Delhi stay well they

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certainly will but for now Abhijit

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Chanda thank you very much thank you

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[Music]

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this is dr. Karl Karl Chris must be

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proud to be skeptic and you can find out

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more about me at dr. Karl calm and get

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[Music]

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as I mentioned at the top of the show

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there are people out there in this

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wonderful world of ours who are taking

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this current situation very seriously

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indeed well to their way of thinking

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there are people in the anti-vaccine

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Spira C theory crown who are suspicious

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and that's putting it mildly that this

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situation is real at all believe it or

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not Jane Hansen writing online for The

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Daily Telegraph tells us anti-vaccine

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activist meryl Dory has called upon her

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13,000 followers to breach

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new laws to socially isolate and take

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pictures of hospitals to prove the kovat

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19 pandemic is fake the anti-vaccine 12

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ID is insistent that covert 19 is a hoax

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and that people should not follow

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government advice are you being lied to

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if you're out and about in the next

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couple of days why don't you take your

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phones and pop into a local hospital ms

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dory posted this week let us know how

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crowded it is or is not is coronavirus

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really overwhelming our nation or is our

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nation overwhelming us with lies and

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killing our economy in US on the

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Australian vaccination risks Network

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Facebook page

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miss dory also posted a video from

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American Andi VAX and Dana

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Ashley who claims there is no pandemic

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despite about 250,000 cases in the USA

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and more than six thousand deaths at the

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time of writing and miss Doris followers

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have responded to her call I plan to do

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just that my local hospital is looking

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pretty quiet and I'm not seeing or

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hearing ambulances where's the pandemic

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one follower wrote others posted

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pictures of their local hospitals john

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dwyer professor of medicine and a vocal

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critic of the avian

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that's the Australian vaccination

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network or the Australian vaccination

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risks network or formerly the Australian

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vaccination skeptics network and so on

548
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said the advice was dangerous and

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possibly illegal we don't want people

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going out at all except for essential

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purposes

552
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professor Dwyer said this advice is not

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just putting people in danger because

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they are stupid the whole purpose of our

555
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social distancing is to stop

556
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transmission from one person to another

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people who ignore it they are a risk to

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the whole community and now we are at

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our most dangerous phase where we have

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community spread without contact with

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travellers this is a critical time for

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controlling the epidemic we all have to

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follow these instructions that have been

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proven to work people who might think

565
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they'll accept this advice that's the

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advice by morote dori

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are a danger to others as well as their

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silly selves in response ms Dorie said I

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said if they were out and about anyway

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to pop over and check out whether their

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local hospitals looks crowded I see no

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reason why it would be considered

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illegal for them to pass by the hospital

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on their way out or back from everything

575
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I've been told many hospitals have empty

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or nearly empty car parks so where are

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all the covert 19 suffers as an aside I

578
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seem to remember that Merrill Dorie is

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originally from New York and while she

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can't visit there at the moment maybe

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she should and see things for herself

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firsthand we read on another Byron Shire

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anti-vaxxer Tom Barnett a member of the

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involuntary medical objectors party who

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ran as a candidate in the last federal

586
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election in the electorate of Richmond

587
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claimed in a video online you cannot

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catch a virus because it is impossible

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mr Barnett explains on the video that he

590
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was one of those kids who could read and

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write before school and knew his one to

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twelve times table before other kids

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00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:01,010
even opened a book and that when he last

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00:27:06,850 --> 00:27:04,159
took an IQ test he was taken into a

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separate room and interrogated because

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00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:07,980
they thought he must have

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cheated he claims a virus is not

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transmissible between people and the

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only way to catch a virus is to inject

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it into your bloodstream

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mr Barnett encourages everyone to ignore

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guidelines one do not get a flu shot do

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00:27:32,659 --> 00:27:28,740
not get any shot and two don't stay in

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00:27:34,580 --> 00:27:32,669
your house you need sunshine he said Mr

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Barnett claims to have studied six years

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00:27:38,810 --> 00:27:36,900
of science including medicine but when

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questioned if he had studied at

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00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:41,490
legitimate institutions he said what

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legitimizes a university or Google for

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00:27:47,919 --> 00:27:46,650
that matter he did not respond to other

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00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:47,929
questions

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00:27:53,870 --> 00:27:51,120
professor Dwyer also slammed this advice

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he is adamant that viruses can't move

614
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from one person to another but bacteria

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00:28:01,400 --> 00:27:58,770
Canon the only reason he is worth any

616
00:28:03,380 --> 00:28:01,410
mention is that if people were silly

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enough to believe that they would

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00:28:08,180 --> 00:28:05,429
disregard what the government is telling

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us and all these crucial measures he

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said and that story appeared in the

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Daily Telegraph online by Jane Hansen

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and I'll say that I've seen that video

623
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:20,070
just referred to being shared around

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00:28:28,100 --> 00:28:23,490
amongst some of my facebook followers

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00:28:30,350 --> 00:28:28,110
who also happen to be of the mindset of

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00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:30,360
psychics and clairvoyance and that sort

627
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:32,640
of stuff I'm not saying that one

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necessarily leads to another I'm not

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saying that people who think they have

630
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:37,890
psychic special powers are also into

631
00:28:44,510 --> 00:28:42,330
conspiracy theories but I seem to see

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00:28:47,180 --> 00:28:44,520
that from anecdotal evidence anyway

633
00:28:49,340 --> 00:28:47,190
there is a large crossover that video by

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00:28:52,100 --> 00:28:49,350
the way has been since been taken down

635
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:52,110
another video that's been taken down was

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00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:53,730
from Julie Wiley man now you may

637
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:55,200
remember Julie while him and we've

638
00:28:59,240 --> 00:28:56,730
spoken about her on the skeptic zone

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00:29:02,570 --> 00:28:59,250
before she received a PhD from the

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00:29:07,580 --> 00:29:02,580
University of Wollongong but from what

641
00:29:09,919 --> 00:29:07,590
we can gather she is a conspiracy theory

642
00:29:15,289 --> 00:29:09,929
minded person and an anti vaccination

643
00:29:18,260 --> 00:29:15,299
advocate this is just a very short

644
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:18,270
snippet of what she said on that video

645
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:21,090
and of course I'm using this under the

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00:29:27,980 --> 00:29:25,010
their use laws why are they wanting to

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control the population to this degree

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00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:31,770
when it doesn't make sense for the

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00:29:35,060 --> 00:29:33,600
outbreak of disease that we have in

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Australia the risk of infectious

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00:29:39,260 --> 00:29:37,320
diseases has not yet changed in

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00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:39,270
Australia so there's a draconian

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00:29:46,670 --> 00:29:42,930
measures as I mentioned quarantine is

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00:29:49,010 --> 00:29:46,680
fine okay tracing the cases of their

655
00:29:51,230 --> 00:29:49,020
sick contact or if someone is sick

656
00:29:53,180 --> 00:29:51,240
tracing their context maybe isolate them

657
00:29:55,940 --> 00:29:53,190
but do not lock down the healthy

658
00:29:59,270 --> 00:29:55,950
population under the guise of social

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distancing for a global pandemic when

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there is no evidence of that pandemic

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00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:05,430
now the video as I've mentioned that has

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00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:07,440
been taken down included a lot more

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00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:09,690
advice about ignoring social distancing

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and conspiracy theory and paranoia and

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things like that and as we keep

666
00:30:19,730 --> 00:30:17,510
reminding the University of Wollongong

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00:30:23,450 --> 00:30:19,740
they should be very careful in the

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00:30:25,430 --> 00:30:23,460
future to whom they award a PhD certain

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00:30:27,620 --> 00:30:25,440
chiropractors have also come to our

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00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:27,630
attention and this is from the coulomb

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00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:30,810
Family Chiropractic at coulomb

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00:30:37,130 --> 00:30:34,410
chiropractic calm today you what can you

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00:30:41,570 --> 00:30:37,140
do to protect yourself from the corona

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00:30:44,150 --> 00:30:41,580
virus and it is a page with generally

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00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:44,160
good advice regular hand-washing not

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00:30:48,050 --> 00:30:45,930
touching your face keeping your distance

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00:30:49,460 --> 00:30:48,060
from people and so on as per the

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00:30:52,730 --> 00:30:49,470
government's guidelines

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00:30:55,970 --> 00:30:52,740
it says do eat lots of fresh fruit and

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00:30:57,890 --> 00:30:55,980
vegetables yeah drink clean water get

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00:31:00,290 --> 00:30:57,900
adequate sleep of course regular light

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00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:00,300
exercise like going for a walk breathe

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00:31:09,910 --> 00:31:06,320
fresh clean air get your spine adjusted

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00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:09,920
your immune system boosts after a

685
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:14,370
chiropractic adjustment take vitamin C

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00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:17,250
and so on and so on avoid sugar oh yeah

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00:31:27,530 --> 00:31:22,080
so this I think this page this claim is

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00:31:30,530 --> 00:31:27,540
now the subject of a complaint if you in

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00:31:33,580 --> 00:31:30,540
Australia especially if you see online

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00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:33,590
or you pass by a chiropractor

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00:31:38,090 --> 00:31:36,240
while you're out doing your exercise or

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00:31:40,210 --> 00:31:38,100
essential duty and you see a sign that

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00:31:42,649 --> 00:31:40,220
says something along the lines of

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00:31:46,279 --> 00:31:42,659
chiropractic can boost your immune

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00:31:48,379 --> 00:31:46,289
system and making vague coronavirus

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00:31:52,009 --> 00:31:48,389
mentions or claims please take a

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00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:52,019
photograph of that keep it soon I hope

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00:31:57,799 --> 00:31:53,970
to be telling everybody where they can

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00:32:01,370 --> 00:31:57,809
send the screen captures and so on to do

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00:32:03,769 --> 00:32:01,380
with augment claims and coronavirus and

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00:32:06,110 --> 00:32:03,779
thanks to Ken MacLeod for bringing that

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00:32:07,340 --> 00:32:06,120
to my attention on next week's show I

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00:32:11,740 --> 00:32:07,350
will be bringing you a story about

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00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:11,750
so-called medical intuitive's

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00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:14,970
who make claims about coronavirus and

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00:32:20,419 --> 00:32:17,370
treatment and this has brought home to

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00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:20,429
us once again there is nothing nothing

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00:32:25,129 --> 00:32:22,559
so outrageous and crazy that someone

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00:32:26,629 --> 00:32:25,139
won't believe it and you'll find the

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00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:26,639
appropriate links to some of those

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00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:38,730
stories in this week's show notes hi

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00:32:43,210 --> 00:32:41,279
this is Heidi Robertson from the

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Northern Rivers vaccination supporters

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00:32:48,620 --> 00:32:46,100
we are a group of concerned citizens

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00:32:51,289 --> 00:32:48,630
dedicated to promoting good science and

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00:32:54,409 --> 00:32:51,299
common sense in our region the far north

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00:32:55,970 --> 00:32:54,419
coast of New South Wales this area are

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00:32:59,149 --> 00:32:55,980
famous for its natural beauty and

719
00:33:02,750 --> 00:32:59,159
relaxed lifestyle also has the lowest

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00:33:04,940 --> 00:33:02,760
rates of vaccination in Australia we are

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00:33:07,250 --> 00:33:04,950
out to change that by challenging the

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00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:07,260
myths and misinformation and by

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00:33:12,259 --> 00:33:08,970
providing good evidence-based

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00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:12,269
information to the community we'd love

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00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:14,130
for you no matter where you are in the

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00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:17,760
world to join our fight please visit our

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00:33:28,610 --> 00:33:25,529
web page at WWF info we also have a link

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00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:28,620
there to our Facebook page tweet us at

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00:33:32,330 --> 00:33:31,289
in our FAQs supporters

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that's VOA

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00:33:36,730 --> 00:33:34,770
and check us out on Wikipedia by

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00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:36,740
searching for Northern Rivers

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vaccination supporters thank you

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[Music]

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logical fallacies

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[Music]

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what are the logical fallacies and why

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00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:13,859
is it important that critical thinkers

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00:34:18,899 --> 00:34:16,210
should know about them

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00:34:21,930 --> 00:34:18,909
a logical fallacy is an error we can

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00:34:24,180 --> 00:34:21,940
make in reasoning but it usually crops

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00:34:27,930 --> 00:34:24,190
up when we are discussing or arguing our

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00:34:30,359 --> 00:34:27,940
point of view some people might even

744
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:30,369
knowingly use them to try and score

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00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:32,560
cheap points in an argument due to

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00:34:38,129 --> 00:34:34,800
intellectual laziness

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00:34:40,589 --> 00:34:38,139
they are traps we can fall into but if

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00:34:42,570 --> 00:34:40,599
we know what to look out for we can spot

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00:34:48,810 --> 00:34:42,580
them when they occur and stop ourselves

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00:34:50,780 --> 00:34:48,820
from using them this week we'll look at

751
00:34:54,419 --> 00:34:50,790
begging the question

752
00:34:56,070 --> 00:34:54,429
also known as circular reasoning this is

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00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:56,080
when the answer to the question is

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00:35:01,320 --> 00:34:58,480
implied in the wording of the question

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00:35:03,660 --> 00:35:01,330
itself the premise of the question and

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00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:03,670
the foregone conclusion support each

757
00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:06,130
other in a circular way without

758
00:35:12,839 --> 00:35:09,280
referring to any external actual

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00:35:15,540 --> 00:35:12,849
evidence we often hear the term that

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00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:15,550
begs the question in TV and radio

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00:35:21,900 --> 00:35:18,930
interviews with politicians for example

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00:35:26,099 --> 00:35:21,910
what the interviewer really should say

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00:35:29,730 --> 00:35:26,109
is that prompts the question or that

764
00:35:32,910 --> 00:35:29,740
raises the question as that is what they

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00:35:35,970 --> 00:35:32,920
really mean when using the term to refer

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00:35:38,700 --> 00:35:35,980
to a logical fallacy begging the

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00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:38,710
question is not really asking a valid

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00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:42,010
question at all but it does imply that

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00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:44,530
the premise of the statement needs

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00:35:50,940 --> 00:35:47,290
challenging before a conclusion can be

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00:35:53,250 --> 00:35:50,950
drawn a skeptic how do you explain that

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00:35:57,270 --> 00:35:53,260
my aunt I saw a UFO when she was a girl

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00:35:59,940 --> 00:35:57,280
in the 1970s it was as plain as day this

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00:36:02,370 --> 00:35:59,950
example is based on a real question put

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00:36:05,339 --> 00:36:02,380
to a sceptical investigator during an

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00:36:08,790 --> 00:36:05,349
interview within the question itself is

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00:36:13,470 --> 00:36:08,800
the answer that the auntie did indeed

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00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:13,480
see a real UFO not that the auntie said

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00:36:21,210 --> 00:36:17,290
she thought she saw a UFO or imagined

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00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:21,220
she saw a UFO or said she saw something

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00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:24,490
strange in the sky but did in fact see a

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00:36:30,290 --> 00:36:27,970
real UFO and remember that in common

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00:36:32,970 --> 00:36:30,300
usage UFO does not mean

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00:36:37,230 --> 00:36:32,980
unidentified flying object it means

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00:36:38,580 --> 00:36:37,240
alien spaceship it can be hard to try

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00:36:41,130 --> 00:36:38,590
and answer this question without

787
00:36:43,770 --> 00:36:41,140
pointing out the logical fallacy a

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00:36:46,590 --> 00:36:43,780
paranormal investigator was sent to

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00:36:49,370 --> 00:36:46,600
investigate strange noises in an old

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00:36:51,630 --> 00:36:49,380
house she looked at the owner and said

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00:36:53,940 --> 00:36:51,640
ghosts have been known to make these

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00:36:57,570 --> 00:36:53,950
noises how long has this house been

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00:36:59,790 --> 00:36:57,580
haunted here they investigate seems to

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00:37:02,130 --> 00:36:59,800
have made up her mind that whatever the

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00:37:05,940 --> 00:37:02,140
strange noises were they were the result

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00:37:09,150 --> 00:37:05,950
of ghosts the question she put to the

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00:37:09,540 --> 00:37:09,160
owner assumes not only the ghosts are

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real

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and the house is haunted but this is the

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cause of the noises I know my favorite

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00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:18,610
alternative medicine works because it

802
00:37:24,450 --> 00:37:21,490
comes from nature and natural is best

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00:37:26,970 --> 00:37:24,460
there is no reason to think that just

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00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:26,980
because something comes from nature that

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00:37:32,370 --> 00:37:29,680
it therefore works and is good for you

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00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:32,380
there are many deadly poisons to be

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00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:35,650
found in nature furthermore there is

808
00:37:41,790 --> 00:37:38,530
nothing to say that natural is better

809
00:37:44,460 --> 00:37:41,800
than artificial it's the dose that

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00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:44,470
determines whether or not something is

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00:37:52,110 --> 00:37:49,440
harmful helpful or just inapplicable

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00:37:54,660 --> 00:37:52,120
declaring that something works or is

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00:37:59,190 --> 00:37:54,670
good just because it comes from nature

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00:38:06,319 --> 00:37:59,200
is indeed begging the question and is

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as we've said you'll often hear the

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00:38:15,329 --> 00:38:12,700
phrase that begs the question when

817
00:38:18,180 --> 00:38:15,339
people really mean that prompts the

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00:38:22,140 --> 00:38:18,190
question so just remember that language

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is evolving all the time but if you hear

820
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:24,490
someone really begging the question in

821
00:38:30,780 --> 00:38:27,010
an argument you might ask them to

822
00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:30,790
rephrase the question and try not to beg

823
00:38:36,089 --> 00:38:33,250
the question yourself which is all too

824
00:38:45,630 --> 00:38:36,099
easy to do when you are sure of your

825
00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:45,640
point of view knowing a logical fallacy

826
00:38:50,940 --> 00:38:48,400
when you hear one and even knowing its

827
00:38:52,190 --> 00:38:50,950
name is important when arguing your

828
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:52,200
point of view

829
00:38:58,530 --> 00:38:55,210
however you may come across as arrogant

830
00:39:01,260 --> 00:38:58,540
and not get very far if you call it out

831
00:39:05,460 --> 00:39:01,270
by name to your opponent when you hear

832
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:05,470
it being used if your opponent calls you

833
00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:08,410
out for using one it's time to stop and

834
00:39:13,980 --> 00:39:11,730
think about how you are making your case

835
00:39:17,730 --> 00:39:13,990
here's your knowledge of logical

836
00:39:20,130 --> 00:39:17,740
fallacies wisely and remember that even

837
00:39:22,319 --> 00:39:20,140
if your point of view is right and you

838
00:39:25,470 --> 00:39:22,329
know all the pitfalls in arguing your

839
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:25,480
case it doesn't always mean you'll win

840
00:39:32,010 --> 00:39:29,290
on the day and as skeptics we must also

841
00:39:37,530 --> 00:39:32,020
remember that we too can be wrong at

842
00:39:49,650 --> 00:39:37,540
times I'm Michele because my from the

843
00:39:54,850 --> 00:39:52,150
this is Kyle from the data skeptic

844
00:39:57,250 --> 00:39:54,860
podcast if you're curious about the way

845
00:39:59,680 --> 00:39:57,260
data is changing our world topics like

846
00:40:02,260 --> 00:39:59,690
AI and all this craziness with Facebook

847
00:40:04,060 --> 00:40:02,270
and BOTS and the Twitter storm and how

848
00:40:06,130 --> 00:40:04,070
the algorithms that underline that work

849
00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:06,140
and you don't want a technical deep dive

850
00:40:09,130 --> 00:40:07,730
you want it you know in the vernacular

851
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:09,140
in a way that people can understand

852
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:10,850
check us out at data skeptic that's what

853
00:40:14,770 --> 00:40:12,800
we try and do I interview advanced

854
00:40:16,510 --> 00:40:14,780
professionals in the field who do this

855
00:40:21,130 --> 00:40:16,520
sort of research and then I get into

856
00:40:22,930 --> 00:40:21,140
interesting projects as well we're a

857
00:40:39,370 --> 00:40:22,940
weekly show and you can find this data

858
00:40:44,970 --> 00:40:39,380
skeptic calm his may not spooky action

859
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:47,500
so listen up listen up people of the

860
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:49,490
skeptic zone speak up listen be

861
00:40:54,310 --> 00:40:51,770
carefully put down that Donna Summer CD

862
00:40:57,070 --> 00:40:54,320
and listen to your radio podcasting

863
00:41:03,220 --> 00:40:57,080
thing now it's dr. Ricci live from

864
00:41:04,510 --> 00:41:03,230
Michael Jackson's hole in my oming oh

865
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:04,520
look it's great to chat you again

866
00:41:10,599 --> 00:41:05,810
because we got a lot to get the world

867
00:41:12,730 --> 00:41:10,609
has changed dr. Reggie a lot of good

868
00:41:14,710 --> 00:41:12,740
things and some bad things let's

869
00:41:17,050 --> 00:41:14,720
establish your credentials but what do

870
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:17,060
you got a degree in and what do you do

871
00:41:24,940 --> 00:41:22,010
so my PhD is in cell biology and I am a

872
00:41:28,090 --> 00:41:24,950
medical researcher working in neuro

873
00:41:29,980 --> 00:41:28,100
degeneration so not really exactly what

874
00:41:32,260 --> 00:41:29,990
I started studying but what I'm doing

875
00:41:40,359 --> 00:41:32,270
now that's right because you think that

876
00:41:40,750 --> 00:41:40,369
um aging is caused by hair right of

877
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:40,760
course

878
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:42,560
write that down I'll get right under

879
00:41:46,180 --> 00:41:44,240
that but look here at mad labs I've been

880
00:41:48,460 --> 00:41:46,190
working on possible cures for this

881
00:41:50,170 --> 00:41:48,470
coronavirus thing and treatments for it

882
00:41:52,590 --> 00:41:50,180
because I've been listening to a lot of

883
00:41:55,300 --> 00:41:52,600
press conferences from Donald Trump and

884
00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:55,310
and and I listened to the Alex Jones

885
00:42:05,730 --> 00:41:58,160
Show and I've got a couple of ideas here

886
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:05,740
can I run them past you now parent the

887
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:09,050
ultraviolet C is very bad for viruses so

888
00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:10,970
I thought if you build a big container

889
00:42:14,890 --> 00:42:13,250
that had ultraviolet C in it and you

890
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:14,900
just sat in it that would kill the

891
00:42:26,410 --> 00:42:25,040
corona virus so I'm going to put a

892
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:26,420
question mark next to that one then

893
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:28,250
that's good now also there's something

894
00:42:33,790 --> 00:42:30,770
about their queen the the natural queen

895
00:42:35,470 --> 00:42:33,800
which is in tonic and they're all needy

896
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:35,480
and the swabs used for hands got alcohol

897
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:37,490
so I reckon gin and tonic could that

898
00:42:43,390 --> 00:42:41,330
cure the corona virus you know what may

899
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:43,400
not we don't know yet but I suggest that

900
00:42:48,220 --> 00:42:46,130
everyone does scientific experiment and

901
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:48,230
gets back to you next week on the

902
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:50,210
skeptics going to see how it's working

903
00:42:53,020 --> 00:42:51,770
okay fair enough that's a very quick

904
00:42:55,090 --> 00:42:53,030
result there good okay well let's have

905
00:42:57,130 --> 00:42:55,100
you two ideas I've had the other one

906
00:42:59,080 --> 00:42:57,140
I've had is is by playing

907
00:43:00,970 --> 00:42:59,090
who about but very loud out of your

908
00:43:02,890 --> 00:43:00,980
Volkswagen car window people aren't

909
00:43:04,810 --> 00:43:02,900
gonna come near you annual in fact I've

910
00:43:06,820 --> 00:43:04,820
achieved social distances just what I

911
00:43:08,890 --> 00:43:06,830
tell people I'm a podcaster they get

912
00:43:11,110 --> 00:43:08,900
away from me right yeah I think that

913
00:43:14,610 --> 00:43:11,120
would be conducive to social distancing

914
00:43:16,810 --> 00:43:14,620
and also maybe Barry Manilow in some

915
00:43:18,850 --> 00:43:16,820
alleyways somewhere in the world don't

916
00:43:19,780 --> 00:43:18,860
need to keep teenagers away so you could

917
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:19,790
try that too

918
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:21,290
okay look I will give that a go there

919
00:43:25,810 --> 00:43:23,570
and what's been the situation in Wyoming

920
00:43:28,510 --> 00:43:25,820
I meant it like the population densities

921
00:43:30,430 --> 00:43:28,520
not as high there anyway no we only have

922
00:43:32,380 --> 00:43:30,440
five hundred and seventy seven thousand

923
00:43:34,750 --> 00:43:32,390
people in the whole of the state so

924
00:43:37,780 --> 00:43:34,760
they're one of the lowest populated

925
00:43:39,460 --> 00:43:37,790
states in the United States ever like

926
00:43:46,270 --> 00:43:39,470
everyone else in America have you gone

927
00:43:47,980 --> 00:43:46,280
and bought a gun this week friend who

928
00:43:51,370 --> 00:43:47,990
lives here in town but there's no

929
00:43:53,170 --> 00:43:51,380
ammunition list in town and of all the

930
00:43:55,450 --> 00:43:53,180
essential services that have remained

931
00:43:58,120 --> 00:43:55,460
open you know like the fasces in the

932
00:43:59,650 --> 00:43:58,130
supermarket you can still buy ammunition

933
00:44:02,350 --> 00:43:59,660
that's considered an essential service

934
00:44:04,510 --> 00:44:02,360
in Wyoming well look as I said look that

935
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:04,520
show Preppers now doesn't look as silly

936
00:44:13,870 --> 00:44:10,450
as it used to look still look silly but

937
00:44:15,820 --> 00:44:13,880
I digress in fact I'm undressed it's

938
00:44:17,050 --> 00:44:15,830
it's a No Pants world now isn't it at

939
00:44:17,830 --> 00:44:17,060
home you don't have to wear pants to

940
00:44:19,180 --> 00:44:17,840
work anymore do you

941
00:44:21,010 --> 00:44:19,190
oh you have to actually go to the office

942
00:44:23,350 --> 00:44:21,020
but don't here I have to go in a little

943
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:23,360
bit because we have things that can't be

944
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:25,490
left alone so I'm growing cells and I

945
00:44:28,300 --> 00:44:27,650
can't just leave them by themselves for

946
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:28,310
two weeks

947
00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:30,650
so I go in and feed them and Pat them

948
00:44:34,750 --> 00:44:33,200
and talk to them but yeah because

949
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:34,760
there's some stuff I just can't leave

950
00:44:39,850 --> 00:44:37,010
for two weeks and hope that it's okay

951
00:44:42,220 --> 00:44:39,860
when I get back so are you the other

952
00:44:44,260 --> 00:44:42,230
Dustin Hoffman of Wyoming they're from

953
00:44:45,460 --> 00:44:44,270
that movie not contagion what I'm was

954
00:44:47,110 --> 00:44:45,470
going around have you anyone said a

955
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:47,120
monkey is that you if you go and check

956
00:44:53,170 --> 00:44:51,290
on your monkey yeah I look around with a

957
00:44:57,070 --> 00:44:53,180
Polaroid saying has anyone seen this

958
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:57,080
monkey I love that we should just enough

959
00:44:59,680 --> 00:44:58,160
and holding out the Polaroid with

960
00:45:01,630 --> 00:44:59,690
lipstick written on the bottom there of

961
00:45:03,340 --> 00:45:01,640
the phone number of the CDC yeah that's

962
00:45:03,940 --> 00:45:03,350
the way to do it I mean Trump's got it

963
00:45:05,470 --> 00:45:03,950
all wrong

964
00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:05,480
he needs a Polaroid and some lipstick

965
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:09,920
yes you know you could work how long is

966
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:10,970
it gonna take to bring a

967
00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:13,010
vaccine to market because even though

968
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:14,240
you might be able to develop one

969
00:45:18,190 --> 00:45:16,160
relatively quickly or adapt one quickly

970
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:18,200
that's been worked on you don't test it

971
00:45:22,270 --> 00:45:20,240
haven't you yeah now I'm gonna I'm gonna

972
00:45:24,850 --> 00:45:22,280
start by saying I'm not a vaccine expert

973
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:24,860
but I do participate in running clinical

974
00:45:28,930 --> 00:45:27,200
trials here in the US and it takes a

975
00:45:31,690 --> 00:45:28,940
long time because there's three phases

976
00:45:34,300 --> 00:45:31,700
of testing before you can drop it and

977
00:45:36,340 --> 00:45:34,310
give it to people as a general product

978
00:45:39,700 --> 00:45:36,350
or even try to get it listed and that

979
00:45:41,410 --> 00:45:39,710
process usually takes about 10 years but

980
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:41,420
in this case you might be able to speed

981
00:45:46,450 --> 00:45:44,450
it up to two to five years maybe but

982
00:45:48,820 --> 00:45:46,460
then you've got to consider to that

983
00:45:50,830 --> 00:45:48,830
about 90% of drugs that go into phase

984
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:50,840
one trials which is the first stage of

985
00:45:56,620 --> 00:45:53,050
testing never make it through to the end

986
00:45:58,570 --> 00:45:56,630
so it's a very slim chance that we'll

987
00:46:00,610 --> 00:45:58,580
have a vaccine in a hurry luckily

988
00:46:03,970 --> 00:46:00,620
there's about 40 candidates currently

989
00:46:06,250 --> 00:46:03,980
being investigated and some clinical

990
00:46:08,050 --> 00:46:06,260
trials have begun but you can't speed up

991
00:46:10,420 --> 00:46:08,060
people's immune response and that's

992
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:10,430
really the big problem so you can speed

993
00:46:15,340 --> 00:46:12,770
up the discovery process of designing a

994
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:15,350
vaccine but then putting it into humans

995
00:46:19,450 --> 00:46:16,970
and measuring how there are the in

996
00:46:23,140 --> 00:46:19,460
system response that you can't put on

997
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:23,150
fast forward so the idea is - a lot of

998
00:46:26,410 --> 00:46:24,800
people are going to get the corona virus

999
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:26,420
eventually but the idea is to spread

1000
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:28,130
that out as long as time as possible

1001
00:46:32,050 --> 00:46:29,810
that's the fear isn't it well that's the

1002
00:46:33,610 --> 00:46:32,060
approach that countries are taking and

1003
00:46:36,250 --> 00:46:33,620
the reason for that as most people

1004
00:46:38,140 --> 00:46:36,260
probably know now is that if you spike

1005
00:46:40,630 --> 00:46:38,150
too soon and you get a huge amount of

1006
00:46:42,730 --> 00:46:40,640
cases at once you overwhelm the hospital

1007
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:42,740
system and then people end up dying

1008
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:45,050
because like in Italy you have to choose

1009
00:46:49,630 --> 00:46:47,210
who gets the ventilator is a big person

1010
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:49,640
or that person so that the idea of that

1011
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:51,650
is to spread out the illnesses over a

1012
00:46:55,630 --> 00:46:53,330
longer period of time so that you take

1013
00:46:58,990 --> 00:46:55,640
the pressure off the hospital system

1014
00:47:00,790 --> 00:46:59,000
look again mad labs here I thought I

1015
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:00,800
know I can do some ventilator work and I

1016
00:47:04,810 --> 00:47:02,090
looked up what they used before

1017
00:47:06,340 --> 00:47:04,820
ventilators and it probably wasn't much

1018
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:06,350
that issues does sort of a pressure mask

1019
00:47:09,700 --> 00:47:08,210
that you would hand pump and that

1020
00:47:13,240 --> 00:47:09,710
probably wasn't even available for the

1021
00:47:15,490 --> 00:47:13,250
flu in 1918 either I mean what other

1022
00:47:17,140 --> 00:47:15,500
problems you may not is but you know you

1023
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:17,150
can manufacture a whole bunch of

1024
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:19,490
ventilators and of course in the US now

1025
00:47:24,580 --> 00:47:22,130
there are Trump has told General Motors

1026
00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:24,590
and I think Ford to start repo

1027
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:26,480
seeing their manufacturing to make them

1028
00:47:31,930 --> 00:47:28,850
but that doesn't mean that you've got

1029
00:47:35,110 --> 00:47:31,940
the staff to administer them to people

1030
00:47:37,150 --> 00:47:35,120
and to supervise and can't keep the

1031
00:47:39,550 --> 00:47:37,160
patients going so you can't manufacture

1032
00:47:42,220 --> 00:47:39,560
ICU nurses on people that have that

1033
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:42,230
skill and so that's going to be you know

1034
00:47:46,450 --> 00:47:44,690
a place where there's a restriction on

1035
00:47:48,190 --> 00:47:46,460
how many ventilators you can actually

1036
00:47:50,980 --> 00:47:48,200
deploy because you don't have enough

1037
00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:50,990
people to look after them what's your

1038
00:47:58,420 --> 00:47:52,730
advice for people I've been washing my

1039
00:47:59,890 --> 00:47:58,430
hands raw you know I I guess coming from

1040
00:48:01,960 --> 00:47:59,900
a science background I'm working in a

1041
00:48:03,900 --> 00:48:01,970
wet lab I'm used to washing my hands all

1042
00:48:06,370 --> 00:48:03,910
the time and I'm really used to

1043
00:48:09,340 --> 00:48:06,380
infection control and changing gloves

1044
00:48:13,330 --> 00:48:09,350
whenever I do anything not touching door

1045
00:48:15,580 --> 00:48:13,340
handles if I don't have to so it's not a

1046
00:48:18,610 --> 00:48:15,590
big shift for me that the difference

1047
00:48:20,530 --> 00:48:18,620
I've instigated is I have a Google home

1048
00:48:22,890 --> 00:48:20,540
system you know one of those that all

1049
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:22,900
smart students and I've got little

1050
00:48:26,980 --> 00:48:24,770
connections for that around the house

1051
00:48:29,170 --> 00:48:26,990
now I just tell it to count down 20

1052
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:29,180
seconds for me when I wash my hand so

1053
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:31,370
that I know that I'm absolutely washing

1054
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:33,050
them for the amount of the minimum

1055
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:35,570
amount of time so alarm goes off after

1056
00:48:39,310 --> 00:48:37,370
20 seconds you keep washing for a bit

1057
00:48:42,130 --> 00:48:39,320
longer but that allows me to try there

1058
00:48:44,590 --> 00:48:42,140
are no people are singing songs to time

1059
00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:44,600
20 seconds but yeah it's a problem but

1060
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:46,250
you know I mean it's a small sacrifice

1061
00:48:49,930 --> 00:48:48,650
as a note to try to reduce the infection

1062
00:48:53,590 --> 00:48:49,940
spread that might kill your mommy

1063
00:48:55,510 --> 00:48:53,600
grandma and your grandma's friend thing

1064
00:48:58,300 --> 00:48:55,520
I was just looking at reports on again

1065
00:48:59,320 --> 00:48:58,310
it was on news.com dot I use anyway but

1066
00:49:01,180 --> 00:48:59,330
but they were saying that one of the

1067
00:49:02,890 --> 00:49:01,190
highest groups in Australia is is their

1068
00:49:06,460 --> 00:49:02,900
women in their 20s that seem to be the

1069
00:49:08,500 --> 00:49:06,470
most infected really yeah and and I

1070
00:49:10,450 --> 00:49:08,510
don't know why that was that were they

1071
00:49:11,980 --> 00:49:10,460
extra social somewhere was there someone

1072
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:11,990
they knew who was on a ship I'm just

1073
00:49:16,900 --> 00:49:15,410
wondering why that group well there was

1074
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:16,910
a theory that I came across like that

1075
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:18,770
noise has been determined is that those

1076
00:49:24,130 --> 00:49:21,770
people were kind of the ones that were

1077
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:24,140
socializing with returned travelers like

1078
00:49:27,070 --> 00:49:25,370
when the Bondi

1079
00:49:29,860 --> 00:49:27,080
so there was a spike in Bondi a few

1080
00:49:32,020 --> 00:49:29,870
weeks ago or recently where a bunch of

1081
00:49:33,580 --> 00:49:32,030
backpackers collected on Bondi Beach and

1082
00:49:36,190 --> 00:49:33,590
then a few of them came down with it so

1083
00:49:38,050 --> 00:49:36,200
maybe they're more likely to be have

1084
00:49:38,500 --> 00:49:38,060
traveled overseas or socialized with

1085
00:49:40,690 --> 00:49:38,510
people

1086
00:49:42,130 --> 00:49:40,700
recently returned from backpacking but I

1087
00:49:44,020 --> 00:49:42,140
don't know if there's any evidence for

1088
00:49:46,930 --> 00:49:44,030
that a couple of tips I've got for

1089
00:49:48,670 --> 00:49:46,940
people is that stop watching the news or

1090
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:48,680
limit it like I get up in the morning

1091
00:49:51,940 --> 00:49:50,570
and I read the news on the phone on a

1092
00:49:54,210 --> 00:49:51,950
couple of websites I don't watch it

1093
00:49:57,310 --> 00:49:54,220
because the images can be disturbing and

1094
00:49:59,050 --> 00:49:57,320
what I think I kind of know enough at

1095
00:50:00,400 --> 00:49:59,060
the moment that I can do as much so I'm

1096
00:50:01,720 --> 00:50:00,410
not really going to learn a lot more

1097
00:50:04,660 --> 00:50:01,730
that's important that I need to

1098
00:50:06,220 --> 00:50:04,670
immediately yeah and I mean I don't know

1099
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:06,230
how it's working in Australia right now

1100
00:50:10,030 --> 00:50:08,000
but I'm here and why I mean we're

1101
00:50:12,220 --> 00:50:10,040
getting text messages every time

1102
00:50:14,110 --> 00:50:12,230
something changes when they send us a

1103
00:50:15,580 --> 00:50:14,120
text message in the morning with the

1104
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:15,590
case numbers they updated in the

1105
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:17,570
afternoon with the case numbers when

1106
00:50:21,250 --> 00:50:19,760
they change health orders like just

1107
00:50:23,140 --> 00:50:21,260
today they they said you no longer

1108
00:50:25,060 --> 00:50:23,150
allowed together with two people it's

1109
00:50:27,250 --> 00:50:25,070
now nobody except people in your house

1110
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:27,260
so I'll send you a text message it's got

1111
00:50:32,170 --> 00:50:29,810
an attachment so we're kept up to date

1112
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:32,180
with what we need to know but you know

1113
00:50:37,810 --> 00:50:35,210
obviously I don't watch stump and I

1114
00:50:40,210 --> 00:50:37,820
don't have TV so that's conducive to me

1115
00:50:41,740 --> 00:50:40,220
not seeing what he's doing good look

1116
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:41,750
because it'll only make you throw your

1117
00:50:48,220 --> 00:50:45,920
pencils on the floor well yeah I mean I

1118
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:48,230
obviously I'm on social media so it's

1119
00:50:51,550 --> 00:50:49,610
filtered through to me a little bit but

1120
00:50:53,890 --> 00:50:51,560
there's no way I could watch any of that

1121
00:50:54,460 --> 00:50:53,900
stuff 24/7 I poke my eyes out with a

1122
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:54,470
stick

1123
00:50:58,390 --> 00:50:56,480
look like a Reggie I did send you Tim

1124
00:51:00,130 --> 00:50:58,400
Ferguson's address to the nation from

1125
00:51:02,460 --> 00:51:00,140
last Monday did that help you feel any

1126
00:51:05,050 --> 00:51:02,470
more relieved

1127
00:51:06,700 --> 00:51:05,060
Tim Jenison always makes me feel more

1128
00:51:08,380 --> 00:51:06,710
relieved but you're killing when he

1129
00:51:10,570 --> 00:51:08,390
mentions Norfolk because I did used to

1130
00:51:13,950 --> 00:51:10,580
live in Northcote so I'm you know always

1131
00:51:16,330 --> 00:51:13,960
happy to hear him talk about North Korea

1132
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:16,340
you couldn't say flattering way would

1133
00:51:22,150 --> 00:51:19,130
you but um he's got a special place in

1134
00:51:23,620 --> 00:51:22,160
his heart for North look and I'm look we

1135
00:51:25,630 --> 00:51:23,630
must this is a warning to all those of

1136
00:51:27,250 --> 00:51:25,640
the sceptic zone there with with this

1137
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:27,260
current virus outbreak there has been a

1138
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:29,450
very serious outbreak of and I look I

1139
00:51:34,930 --> 00:51:32,330
expected to get rid of bad poetry a lot

1140
00:51:36,430 --> 00:51:34,940
of bad poetry out there people writing

1141
00:51:37,780 --> 00:51:36,440
things down which is fine write things

1142
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:37,790
down but you know you don't have to

1143
00:51:45,700 --> 00:51:39,170
share it with anyone do you

1144
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:45,710
I mean that's the place to be these days

1145
00:51:49,270 --> 00:51:47,450
isn't it and there's only 30 seconds on

1146
00:51:52,329 --> 00:51:49,280
and I what are the kids do these days my

1147
00:51:53,859 --> 00:51:52,339
house okay rodeo this and JIT I'm

1148
00:51:55,779 --> 00:51:53,869
I guess no no that's the whole thing of

1149
00:51:59,229 --> 00:51:55,789
making it all son certain to all this

1150
00:52:00,849 --> 00:51:59,239
drumbeat of bad news all day and then

1151
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:00,859
there's the uncertainty of you just

1152
00:52:05,079 --> 00:52:02,170
don't know when this is going to finish

1153
00:52:06,940 --> 00:52:05,089
yeah I mean I think that that's gonna

1154
00:52:09,219 --> 00:52:06,950
have you already see people have

1155
00:52:11,049 --> 00:52:09,229
quarantined fatigue I guess where I just

1156
00:52:12,459 --> 00:52:11,059
saw some footage from rush Carter's Bay

1157
00:52:14,349 --> 00:52:12,469
and in South Wales whether it was five

1158
00:52:17,739 --> 00:52:14,359
cop cars like chasing people at the park

1159
00:52:20,559 --> 00:52:17,749
and stuff you know it's not going to end

1160
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:20,569
soon you you can look at the WHO and the

1161
00:52:27,459 --> 00:52:23,690
silly sea to see that that here is where

1162
00:52:29,469 --> 00:52:27,469
still I'm going up on the curve but one

1163
00:52:31,450 --> 00:52:29,479
day this will be a film and you can tell

1164
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:31,460
your grandkids are you kids but I was

1165
00:52:36,700 --> 00:52:35,210
there I was Dustin Hoffman I was looking

1166
00:52:38,650 --> 00:52:36,710
for that monkey and let me tell you I'm

1167
00:52:39,940 --> 00:52:38,660
looking all the time out the windows if

1168
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:39,950
I see a monkey you'll be the first

1169
00:52:47,319 --> 00:52:45,200
person I ring dr. Reggie oh hang on in

1170
00:52:49,059 --> 00:52:47,329
there and Wyoming and you know I hope I

1171
00:52:50,229 --> 00:52:49,069
hope that I hope you get some ammunition

1172
00:52:53,549 --> 00:52:50,239
even if you buy someone haven't got a

1173
00:52:57,309 --> 00:52:56,140
and I know look I've been loving the

1174
00:52:59,709 --> 00:52:57,319
photos you've been putting up with the

1175
00:53:01,150 --> 00:52:59,719
animals that go past your front door at

1176
00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:01,160
night do she got a bit of a camera up

1177
00:53:06,059 --> 00:53:02,569
there and I didn't know they had

1178
00:53:09,069 --> 00:53:06,069
dolphins in why I mean that's great oh

1179
00:53:10,569 --> 00:53:09,079
yeah we have all causes things like Bob

1180
00:53:12,009 --> 00:53:10,579
yeah though they're doing on your

1181
00:53:14,259 --> 00:53:12,019
Porsche but that's that's poor that's

1182
00:53:15,849 --> 00:53:14,269
great dr. Rachael Dunlop thank you for

1183
00:53:19,359 --> 00:53:15,859
changes here on the skeptic zone and

1184
00:53:26,030 --> 00:53:19,369
I'll go back to cowering in place okay

1185
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:30,860
[Music]

1186
00:53:30,870 --> 00:53:53,740
I think we need to think

1187
00:54:04,310 --> 00:54:02,420
here's susan gerbic hello skeptic zone

1188
00:54:08,780 --> 00:54:04,320
listeners this is susan gerbic speaking

1189
00:54:11,780 --> 00:54:08,790
to you from Salinas California Richard

1190
00:54:16,690 --> 00:54:11,790
asked if I would give him a few minutes

1191
00:54:21,970 --> 00:54:16,700
of what it's like to be living in

1192
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:21,980
stay-at-home California and you know how

1193
00:54:29,900 --> 00:54:24,090
what it's like over here going through

1194
00:54:33,020 --> 00:54:29,910
the Cova 19 lockdown and here in

1195
00:54:36,070 --> 00:54:33,030
California I'm very near San Jose area

1196
00:54:39,050 --> 00:54:36,080
which is kind of the middle of

1197
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:39,060
California on the coast and we were

1198
00:54:46,130 --> 00:54:42,930
locked down right around the 15th of

1199
00:54:48,980 --> 00:54:46,140
March and I asked to stay home and

1200
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:48,990
practice social distancing and so we've

1201
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:51,210
done California's actually looks like

1202
00:54:57,170 --> 00:54:53,490
it's fairing really well I just listened

1203
00:55:00,680 --> 00:54:57,180
to the news and we have a couple hundred

1204
00:55:02,330 --> 00:55:00,690
deaths as sad as that is it's nothing

1205
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:02,340
like what's happening in New York City

1206
00:55:09,020 --> 00:55:06,960
with 4,000 plus deaths works they say

1207
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:09,030
we're going to hit our peak around the

1208
00:55:17,090 --> 00:55:13,610
beginning of May so you know it's it's

1209
00:55:19,550 --> 00:55:17,100
people are are staying home my

1210
00:55:23,780 --> 00:55:19,560
neighborhood is really well established

1211
00:55:27,020 --> 00:55:23,790
and the neighbors are really looking out

1212
00:55:30,770 --> 00:55:27,030
for each other we've started up a text

1213
00:55:34,010 --> 00:55:30,780
chain where if anybody needs something

1214
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:34,020
they text around and see if somebody has

1215
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:36,090
something you know if you have a

1216
00:55:39,590 --> 00:55:37,770
suggestion or if they have something

1217
00:55:41,270 --> 00:55:39,600
they need done or something like that

1218
00:55:43,610 --> 00:55:41,280
it's just a way of keeping in contact

1219
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:43,620
with each other and that's been really

1220
00:55:46,430 --> 00:55:44,850
great

1221
00:55:51,380 --> 00:55:46,440
our grocery stores are starting to get

1222
00:55:53,650 --> 00:55:51,390
toilet paper and food back in that we've

1223
00:55:57,980 --> 00:55:53,660
been missing for the last couple weeks

1224
00:56:00,440 --> 00:55:57,990
the weather here is amazing I have my

1225
00:56:02,330 --> 00:56:00,450
garden is in full bloom it's so

1226
00:56:05,420 --> 00:56:02,340
beautiful we've had a little bit of rain

1227
00:56:08,150 --> 00:56:05,430
and then like five days of sunshine and

1228
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:08,160
then a little bit of rain so the weather

1229
00:56:14,780 --> 00:56:10,770
is incredible and once people want to

1230
00:56:17,510 --> 00:56:14,790
get outside and that's fine because I

1231
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:17,520
just heard Monterey County beaches which

1232
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:19,890
is just 20 minutes or so away from me

1233
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:21,690
they're opening them back up because

1234
00:56:25,700 --> 00:56:23,610
people have been really responsible in

1235
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:25,710
practicing their social distancing and

1236
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:27,810
and it's a good exercise to get out and

1237
00:56:34,970 --> 00:56:31,290
walk along the beach and it's not warm

1238
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:34,980
enough weather to go in and be in the

1239
00:56:39,530 --> 00:56:36,810
waves so it's not like what's HAP have

1240
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:39,540
been happening in Florida where you have

1241
00:56:44,540 --> 00:56:41,810
people you know playing volleyball and

1242
00:56:47,780 --> 00:56:44,550
rolling around in the sand together and

1243
00:56:49,490 --> 00:56:47,790
you know strangers interacting with each

1244
00:56:51,980 --> 00:56:49,500
other or anything like that it's more

1245
00:56:55,340 --> 00:56:51,990
like you put your jacket on and you walk

1246
00:56:59,120 --> 00:56:55,350
along the beach so that's that's great

1247
00:57:03,890 --> 00:56:59,130
that that's opening up again we have

1248
00:57:06,140 --> 00:57:03,900
been having lots of zoom or Skype calls

1249
00:57:09,770 --> 00:57:06,150
with people even our neighborhood

1250
00:57:11,930 --> 00:57:09,780
genealogy class I've been going to that

1251
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:11,940
for about about a year there's about

1252
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:14,610
five of us and we've been doing our

1253
00:57:19,700 --> 00:57:16,770
genealogy because one of my neighbors is

1254
00:57:22,220 --> 00:57:19,710
really really an expert on it so so

1255
00:57:24,110 --> 00:57:22,230
that's been kind of fun one of the

1256
00:57:25,790 --> 00:57:24,120
things that's been happening here is as

1257
00:57:27,470 --> 00:57:25,800
I said people are taking a lot of walks

1258
00:57:29,300 --> 00:57:27,480
around the neighborhood it's you know

1259
00:57:30,980 --> 00:57:29,310
walking their dogs I didn't know we had

1260
00:57:33,410 --> 00:57:30,990
that many dogs in our neighborhood but

1261
00:57:35,090 --> 00:57:33,420
apparently we do but I've been going for

1262
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:35,100
about a three-mile walk every day which

1263
00:57:40,700 --> 00:57:37,250
is just loops around the neighborhood

1264
00:57:43,940 --> 00:57:40,710
one of the things we've been seeing is

1265
00:57:47,300 --> 00:57:43,950
and people are encouraged to do is to

1266
00:57:49,100 --> 00:57:47,310
put stuffed animals or something

1267
00:57:50,980 --> 00:57:49,110
interesting in your window especially

1268
00:57:54,170 --> 00:57:50,990
they've been doing a lot of bears and

1269
00:57:55,340 --> 00:57:54,180
the suggestion was for children who are

1270
00:57:58,760 --> 00:57:55,350
walking in the neighborhood with their

1271
00:58:00,680 --> 00:57:58,770
parents to be able to do bear spotting

1272
00:58:02,510 --> 00:58:00,690
and so that they can go along and try to

1273
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:02,520
find the stuffed animals as they go and

1274
00:58:07,580 --> 00:58:04,770
make it interesting and I did I have a

1275
00:58:09,380 --> 00:58:07,590
teddy bear in my window too but I went

1276
00:58:12,890 --> 00:58:09,390
for a walk around the neighborhood and

1277
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:12,900
the other day just looking for see what

1278
00:58:16,370 --> 00:58:14,370
people are putting in the windows and it

1279
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:16,380
is pretty fun you see all kinds of

1280
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:19,650
creative things in people's windows

1281
00:58:27,260 --> 00:58:22,400
one of my neighbors has a big giant

1282
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:27,270
life-size James Dean poster and that was

1283
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:30,000
kind of fun and then other just random

1284
00:58:35,780 --> 00:58:32,730
things to make you smile and you know to

1285
00:58:39,110 --> 00:58:35,790
keep the kids you know I'm not bullying

1286
00:58:41,990 --> 00:58:39,120
so glum from being inside I know my cats

1287
00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:42,000
are absolutely loving that I'm home all

1288
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:43,200
the time

1289
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:47,010
as far as gso W is going we have been

1290
00:58:51,500 --> 00:58:49,650
really spending a lot of our time just

1291
00:58:54,650 --> 00:58:51,510
trying to get the training revamped we

1292
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:54,660
decided what we wanted to do is make a

1293
00:58:58,310 --> 00:58:56,880
plea for people to join us especially

1294
00:59:02,030 --> 00:58:58,320
now that people seem to have a little

1295
00:59:03,620 --> 00:59:02,040
more time because your home may be to go

1296
00:59:06,650 --> 00:59:03,630
through our training so what I've done

1297
00:59:09,860 --> 00:59:06,660
is I've cleaned it up a lot and remove

1298
00:59:14,660 --> 00:59:09,870
some lessons and redundancies and made

1299
00:59:16,610 --> 00:59:14,670
it less of video and more instructions

1300
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:16,620
that are written but with a lot of

1301
00:59:22,670 --> 00:59:20,970
screenshots so our training normally for

1302
00:59:25,010 --> 00:59:22,680
an average person takes about two and a

1303
00:59:27,740 --> 00:59:25,020
half months I think that maybe this will

1304
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:27,750
take another week or two off just in the

1305
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:30,330
the ability to get through the lessons

1306
00:59:34,850 --> 00:59:32,370
themselves and maybe even better than

1307
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:34,860
that maybe even speeding it up a few

1308
00:59:40,250 --> 00:59:38,640
weeds weeks off normal and we're trying

1309
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:40,260
to get those lessons translated into

1310
00:59:44,570 --> 00:59:42,330
other languages so if you're interested

1311
00:59:46,460 --> 00:59:44,580
in joining the GSO w project we sure

1312
00:59:52,570 --> 00:59:46,470
would love to have you this is a great

1313
01:00:00,200 --> 00:59:58,190
conspiracy there - and kovat related you

1314
01:00:01,820 --> 01:00:00,210
know and vaccines especially we're

1315
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:01,830
really been pushing vaccine because you

1316
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:03,690
know we're all gonna have to get

1317
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:05,610
vaccinated here soon so we want to be

1318
01:00:11,930 --> 01:00:08,610
prepared so the people are ready for

1319
01:00:12,529 --> 01:00:11,940
that and we've just hit fifty seven

1320
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:12,539
million

1321
01:00:17,509 --> 01:00:14,400
views by the way we're at fifty-seven

1322
01:00:19,189 --> 01:00:17,519
point four five million pageviews for

1323
01:00:22,969 --> 01:00:19,199
all the Wikipedia pages we've been doing

1324
01:00:24,890 --> 01:00:22,979
so find me on Facebook send me a private

1325
01:00:27,620 --> 01:00:24,900
message let me know you want to go

1326
01:00:29,989 --> 01:00:27,630
through the training and we'll all send

1327
01:00:32,839 --> 01:00:29,999
you a pre training so you get an idea of

1328
01:00:34,309 --> 01:00:32,849
what it's like and then you know once

1329
01:00:36,799 --> 01:00:34,319
you've passed that then we'll put you

1330
01:00:39,140 --> 01:00:36,809
into the secret cabal and get your

1331
01:00:42,349 --> 01:00:39,150
training started and you know you can

1332
01:00:45,289 --> 01:00:42,359
stop arguing with people on Facebook and

1333
01:00:49,209 --> 01:00:45,299
Twitter and get down to doing some real

1334
01:00:53,539 --> 01:00:49,219
work some real social network distancing

1335
01:00:56,900 --> 01:00:53,549
work that makes real differences in

1336
01:00:59,539 --> 01:00:56,910
people's lives so you know stay strong

1337
01:01:02,659 --> 01:00:59,549
out there I think we're going to get

1338
01:01:04,819 --> 01:01:02,669
through this it is a scary time I've

1339
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:04,829
never seen anything like it and nobody

1340
01:01:10,500 --> 01:01:07,410
else here has and we can do this

1341
01:01:26,819 --> 01:01:10,510
together you guys thanks

1342
01:01:31,930 --> 01:01:29,380
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1343
01:01:36,460 --> 01:01:31,940
zone some little notes that have come my

1344
01:01:39,819 --> 01:01:36,470
way skeptics in the pub online from the

1345
01:01:41,980 --> 01:01:39,829
UK the world according to physics that's

1346
01:01:45,309 --> 01:01:41,990
going to be a talk on Thursday the 9th

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of April 7 p.m. I think that would be

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British time and you can find out more

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about that by going to Twi t CH twitch

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dot TV / s I T P which stands for

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skeptics in the pub I will certainly add

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a link to that in this week's show notes

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if you're like me and you're going to be

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staying home and washing your hands and

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not doing things like skeptics in the

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pub which is called off anyway join in

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Manor comm dot au now at a good time

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